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A Discussion About Tongues

By

Neil Armstrong B.A., M.Div.

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Introduction

This discussion has been added to the site for those who have an interest in the subject of tongues. It is an interaction between two people who have differing points of view. These differences allow us to explore the topic in ways that one would not ordinarily encounter. As we discuss tongues we touch on many subjects which are basic to an understanding of the Christian faith.

ImPentecostal Enters Into A Discussion Which Has
Been Ongoing For Several Weeks

IS ANYBODY LISTENING??? THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF TONGUES
Hello? Doesn't anybody pay attention? There are two types of tongues. One is explained to the Corinthians and is the gift of Tongues Interpretation. The second is found in Acts. The first two recordings of the outpouring of the Holy Ghost was accompanied with the evidence. When the Apostles were filled with the Holy Ghost, they spoke in tongues. When the Gentiles were filled, later, in the sight of the Apostles, they spoke in tongues, and that was the evidence to both the Apostles and the Gentiles that the Gentiles had what the Apostles had, and it amazed them.

By the way, I have study Pentecostal Doctrine and, funny thing, it's all based on scripture.

So Mr. you have no place saying that Pentecostal doctrine does not line up with scripture. Pentecostals did not just make up this idea of speaking in tongues. It's real and I've experienced it. You can't tell me what I've experienced was made up by a bunch of old men who wanted to confuse the Christian world. It's been around since the Apostles, so don't spread stories that aren't true!

I wonder just who you think you are to belittle someone else's experience with God. I am deeply offended at your rude comments about Pentecostals. You should be careful what you say about other people (and doctrines). You could harm somebody deeper than you could ever fix. Hopefully you haven't offended anybody enough for them to lose their Victory. You better hope so too.

IP

-who, by the way cares what (_____ ______) believes? I don't base my beliefs on somebody else's, I base my beliefs on the Word of God.

My Response To ImPentecostal

Is all Pentecostal Doctrine Scriptural?
The issue that I raise is not whether there are different types of tongues. The issue is whether the Pentecostal doctrine which claims tongues to be the evidence of the Baptism of The Holy Spirit is correct. I do not disagree with you that there are different types of tongues in Scripture. The problem is much more serious.

In another posting I wrote, "The basis of this theology is that God deals with man in terms of the Covenants he establishes. There have been Covenants with Abraham, Moses, David and the last one through Jesus Christ. To make a long story short, the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the so called evidence of this experience, speaking in tongues, must fit into the context of the Covenant that God has established through Jesus Christ."

Why is it that serious? Let me ask some questions. First, what if the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a second experience as the Pentecostals claim? What if it is a first time experience? What if the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is salvation itself? What if it is the actual experience of the believer entering into the Covenant with Jesus Christ. What if it is the seal of the Covenant? In Hebrews 10:16 we read, "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." We know from Scripture that the New Covenant is based on the believer receiving the Spirit. What if the Pentecostals are wrong and they are falsifying the doctrine of the Covenant, which is the very basis of the Christian entering into a relationship with God?

When the Pentecostals make the assertion that tongues are the evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit they are making one gigantic leap into Biblical fallacy if they are wrong! No one, not even Pentecostals, would argue that tongues are a sign of salvation. So if they are wrong about the timing of when the Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs in the life of the believer their doctrine collapses like a house of cards.

Let's look at their use of the word evidence for a minute. In their constitution under the title "The Evidence" they say, "The Baptism of believers in the Holy Ghost is indicated by the initial physical (Watch Out!!) sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance." I did not make this up it is their doctrinal statement. If something is the evidence it must be present every time the circumstance occurs. If radiation is the evidence of an atomic explosion, every time there is an atomic explosion there must be radiation. Are tongues present every time people receive the Spirit? On the day of Pentecost the Apostles spoke in tongues but what about the 3000 who responded to Peter when he preached. Acts 2:38 "Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Did these people receive the Holy Spirit just like the Apostles a few minutes before. Yes! But there is no record of them speaking in tongues. How about Paul when Ananias prayed for him in Acts 9:17-19. We know that he spoke in tongues later but this is where he was "filled with the Holy Spirit." v.17

If tongues are not the "evidence" of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a second experience, then all this emphasis on tongues is extremely harmful. My concern is for those who get caught up in this movement and are not told that there are some very serious problems with this doctrine. There is hardly anything else more important in our faith than the New Covenant through which we have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

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